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What It Means to Be American

Posted by Tony Listi on April 20, 2008

In discussing the issue of illegal immigration with a liberal friend of mine, a very interesting and important question was posed to me: what is your definition of “American”?

True conservatives recognize that America is more an idea, a creed, than anything else. For practical purposes, America is also a place, a distinct area of territory. But even those who live within its physical boundaries as legally recognized citizens may be less American, in a sense, than those outside its borders who share the American creed. America is more than a place or a government certification of citizenship.

Thus, subscribing to a specific set of beliefs is what makes an American at the deepest level. What are these beliefs? They are embodied in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, as originally intended and interpreted by the Founding Fathers who framed these documents (and their Christian roots). And because conservatism, by definition, seeks to preserve the principles of America’s founding, the American creed is the conservative creed.

One of the most important of these beliefs is the rule of law (yes, even immigration laws). Two other important beliefs are the right to the fruits of one’s labor and to minimal taxation used only for public interests that cannot be satisfied any other way (both of which go together). Therefore, certain government run services and wealth redistribution, which illegal immigrants often take advantage of, are not American in a very profound sense. Another important tenet of the American credo is suspicion of government and government interference. The corollary and logical outgrowth of this is a belief in very limited government. And the logical implication of that is a belief in freedom, including the free market.

Therefore, those immigrants, legal and illegal, who do not accept this creed are a threat to America. This is why the English language must be preserved, assimilation must be a top priority, and multiculturalism should be opposed.

Of course, the implications of my definition of “American,” automatically implies that liberals are in some sense un-American because they do not hold to this creed as it has been written and passed down through the generations. They are opposed to limited government, the free market, etc. And they have already hurt America because of the semi-welfare state that they have created over the past century or so. Therefore, one might say that liberals’ un-American activities (creating the welfare state and insisting on multiculturalism) are really at the heart of what is wrong with the situation of illegal immigration. If government were more limited, illegal immigrants would not be able strain and/or drain public treasuries. If government were more limited, then government employees would be less able to socially engineer the country away from its roots.

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McCain: Be Our Guest…Worker

Posted by Tony Listi on January 11, 2008

McCain is not conservative…. Don’t vote for him.

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Romney Hammers McCain on Immigration!

Posted by Tony Listi on January 6, 2008


ROMNEY: But your view is everybody who’s come here illegally, today, other than criminals, would be allowed when they speak English and get $5,000 payment and they get a background check, they’re allowed to stay forever….  That’s your plan, and that plan, in my view, is not appropriate. Those people should be invited to get in line outside the country with everybody else who wants to come here. But they should not be given a special right to stay here —

MCCAIN: There is no special right associated with my plan. I said they should not be in any way rewarded for illegal behavior.

MR. ROMNEY: Are they sent home?

SEN. MCCAIN: They have to get in line —

MR. ROMNEY: Are they sent home?

SEN. MCCAIN: — behind everybody else.

MR. ROMNEY: Are they sent home?

SEN. MCCAIN: Some of them are, some of them are not, depending on their situation….

ROMNEY: And let me tell you, the issue that’s at stake here is do the people who come here illegally, the 12 million, are they allowed to stay in this country the rest of their life? And the final bill you put forward in the United States Senate was they got a Z —

MCCAIN: The answer is that there was still negotiations and debating on that.

ROMNEY: May I complete?

MCCAIN: The answer is we were still negotiating. We were debating. I’m saying that some people have to go back to the country

ROMNEY: I’m sorry. There was a Z visa. The Z visa was given to everybody —

MCCAIN: And it was having — that some people have to go back. First, as Rudy said, we have to round up the 2 million who have committed crimes and deport them immediately.

ROMNEY: Let’s not divert.

MCCAIN: And that is not amnesty for anyone.

MR. GIBSON: Well, I don’t want to divert. Let me come back to your plan. Is it practical to take 12 million people and send them out of the country?

ROMNEY: Is it practical? The answer is no. The answer is no. So here’s why my plan works. One, it says to those 12 million people they do not have the right, as they would under the final Senate plan, to receive a Z visa which was renewable indefinitely. That meant these people could stay in the country forever. That was what the plan did, and that’s why talk radio and the American people went nuts.

MCCAIN: That’s not the plan.

ROMNEY: Senator, you look up your Z visa. It is renewable indefinitely. Every illegal alien got to stay in the country forever, other than those that committed crimes.

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Huckabee on Immigration, Comparison to Slavery

Posted by Tony Listi on January 2, 2008 

“One of the great challenges facing us is that we do not commit the same
mistakes with our growing Hispanic population that we did with African
Americans 150 years ago and beyond. We’re still paying the price for the
pathetic manner in which this country handled that… I think, frankly, the
Lord is giving us a second chance to do better than we did before.”

– Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee at a meeting of
the Political Animals Club in Little Rock, Arkansas, December, 2006

This is a dangerous way to talk about public policy. I have no problem with appealing to Judeo-Christian ethical principles when talking about policy. But talk about God’s intentions or will with regard to certain events is dicey and no basis for policy. As Lincoln said, the question is not whether God is on our side but whether we are on God’s side.

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Sorry Mike! – (for telling the truth about your record)

Posted by Tony Listi on January 2, 2008

My fellow Christians and evangelicals, look at Huckabee’s record, not at what he says!

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Fred Thompson zings Mike Huckabee on Sanctuary cities, taxes

Posted by Tony Listi on January 2, 2008

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