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Woodrow Wilson: America’s Worst and First Fascist President

Posted by Tony Listi on May 29, 2008

Thomas Woodrow Wilson, the 28th US president, often makes the top ten in rankings of the best US presidents. In the well-known polls taken by Arthur M. Schlesinger, Sr. in 1948 and 1962, Wilson was ranked #4 behind Lincoln, Washington, and FDR. By the end of this post, I hope you will agree with me that he belongs in the bottom rung and was one of our worst presidents ever, if not THE worst.

Wilson was the first president to criticize the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
Wilson criticized the diffuseness of government power in the US in most famous book Congressional Government. In this work he confessed, “I cannot imagine power as a thing negative and not positive.” His love and worship of power was a prime characteristic of fascism. “If any trait bubbles up in all one reads about Wilson it is this: he loved, craved, and in a sense glorified power,” writes historian Walter McDougall. It should not surprise us that his idols were Abraham Lincoln and Otto von Bismarck.

“No doubt a lot of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle,” wrote Wilson, attacking the very individual rights that have made America great.

He rejected the principles of “separation of powers” and “checks and balances” that are the foundation of American government: “Government does now whatever experience permits or the times demand….” wrote Wilson in The State.

No fan of democracy or constitutional government, he wrote the following in Constitutional Government in the United States: “The President is at liberty, both in law and conscience, to be as big a man as he can. His capacity will set the limit….” Sounds like a devotee of the imperial presidency.

Indeed, in a disturbing 1890 essay entitled Leaders of Men, Wilson said that a “true leader” uses the masses of people like “tools.” He writes, “The competent leader of men cares little for the internal niceties of other people’s characters: he cares much–everything–for the external uses to which they may be put…. He supplies the power; others supply only the materials upon which that power operates…. It is the power which dictates, dominates; the materials yield. Men are as clay in the hands of the consummate leader.” So much for the dignity of each person!

“Woe be to the man or group of men that seeks to stand in our way,” said Wilson in June 1917 to counter protests to the fascist regime that he created upon entering WW I.

Wilson rejects the Jeffersonian individualism that has defined the Founding and American conservatism: “While we are followers of Jefferson, there is one principle of Jefferson’s which no longer can obtain in the practical politics of America. You know that it was Jefferson who said that the best government is that which does as little governing as possible…. But that time is passed. America is not now and cannot in the future be a place for unrestricted individual enterprise.” Follower of Jefferson? Yeah right!

Wilson sought war with Germany and purposefully drew the US into World War I.
“I am an advocate of peace, but there are some splendid things that come to a nation through the discipline of war,” said Wilson and he would seek after those progressive “splendid things” when the opportunity of WW I arose.

It is an often overlooked fact of WW I that Great Britain’s powerful navy blockaded Germany and in so doing starved the German population. And guess who led the British in this distant blockade (which was against international law at the time)? Our dear beloved Winston Churchill, the First Lord of the Admiralty. This blockade drove the Germans to retaliate with submarine warfare (U-boats), and they warned that “neutral ships will be exposed to danger” and it would be “impossible to avoid attacks being made on neutral ships in mistake for those of the enemy.” This was especially true since British abused the rules of war by decorating their warships with neutral flags to lure German submarines to the surface and destroy them.

Wilson all the while claimed neutrality but was actually very pro-British. The British blockade and the German unrestricted submarine warfare both violated the rights of neutral nations under international law. But he refused to acknowledge that the former had led to the latter. German misdeeds against vessels carrying Americans received swift denunciation from Wilson, but the terrible British blockade that starved hundreds of thousands of Germans to death got a slap on the wrist. The Germans even proposed to end their unrestricted sub warfare if the British would end the blockade; the British refused. It was this double standard that would drive Wilson to bring the US into the war.

The cunning Churchill knew of Wilson’s irrational disposition and used it to his advantage: “It is most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores in the hope especially of embroiling the United States with Germany….” Britain aimed to lure America into the war. Indeed, by making it dangerous for the German submarines to surface, Churchill would increase his chances of success: “The submerged U-boat had to rely increasingly on underwater attack and thus ran the greater risk of mistaking neutral for British ships and of drowning neutral crews and thus embroiling Germany with other Great Powers.” By that time, the US was the only great power left that had remained neutral.

The most famous incident was the sinking of the Lusitania. But you will seldom read in school textbooks that the German government actually published warnings in major newspapers not to book passage on the great vessel. But most passengers ignored the warning. The German U-boat only fired one torpedo at the Lusitania and, to the surprise of the German captain Walter Schwieger, that was all it took. The liner went down so quickly that Swieger noted, “I could not have fired a second torpedo into this thing of humanity attempting to save themselves.” A total of 124 Americans died.

What was the American reaction to this tragedy? Hardly any of the newspapers advocated that declaring war was the proper response. Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan certainly had no desire to go to war over it and challenged Wilson’s double standard head on: “Why be shocked by the drowning of a few people, if there is no objection to a starving nation?” It was of no use and Bryan resigned in protest. Senators Wesley Jones of Washington and Robert Follette of Wisconsin urged the President to exercise restraint.

Bryan’s replacement, Robert Lansing, reveals that the Wilson administration was determined to go to war: “In dealing with the British government, there was always in my mind the conviction that we would ultimately become an ally of Great Britain and that it would not do, therefore, to let our controversies reach a point where diplomatic correspondence gave place to action.” American protests against Britain were carefully “submerged in verbiage. It was done with deliberate purpose. It insured the continuance of the controversies and left the questions unsettled, which was necessary in order to leave this country free to act and even act illegally when it entered the war.”

Germany then agreed to call off the sub warfare if Wilson would pressure Britain to stop the hunger blockade (Sussex Pledge). Wilson refused.

Then Wilson did the most irresponsible act that brought us into war: he ordered that merchant ships be armed with US Navy guns and staffed with US Navy crews and that they fire on any surfacing submarines they encountered. Under such circumstances, the ships sailed into the war zone. Wilson sent out ships with the purpose of sacrificing them in order to push America into war! Four of them had been sunk by the time Wilson requested a declaration of war from Congress. It was only after the war that Congress would realize what a dangerous fanatic Wilson was and actually stood up to him be rejecting the Treaty of Versailles, especially Article 10 the League of Nations. This article obligated each League member to preserve the territorial integrity of the other member states. Why should the US sacrifice blood and treasure for obscure border disputes in Europe? Congress was not advocating isolationism as many have asserted but rather defending its own constitutional authority to decide when America goes to war.

John Bassett Moore, a distinguished professor of international law at Columbia University who would serve on the International Court of Justice after the war, argued that “what most decisively contributed to the involvement of the United States in the war was the assertion of a right to protect belligerent ships on which Americans saw fit to travel and the treatment of armed belligerent merchantmen as peaceful vessels. Both assumptions were contrary to reason, and no other neutral advanced them.” Wilson apparently believed that every American, in time of war, had the right to travel aboard armed, belligerent merchant ships carrying munitions of war through a declared submarine zone. No other neutral power had ever proclaimed such a doctrine, let alone gone to war over it!

No American interest was at stake in WW I, and yet a total of 116,516 men died and 204,002 were wounded. In fact, Wilson bragged about fighting a war with no national interests at stake! “There is not a single selfish element, so far as I can see, in the cause we are fighting for,” he declared. It was a war to satisfy his own naive idealism that he could remake the world in his “progressive” ideology. War was an instrument for perverse social engineering that would remake the world: “[A]s head of a nation participating in the war, the president of the United States would have a seat at the peace table, but…if he remained the representative of a neutral country, he could at best only ‘call through a crack in the door.'” The whole war was so that HE could have a seat at a table?! The guy was insane, sick (even Freud, who wrote a whole book on Wilson, thought so).Movie Poster

Wilson created the first official propaganda department in the US.
A week after Congress declared war on Germany, Wilson created a government apparatus whose sole purpose was to lie to the American people, the first modern ministry for propaganda in the West. It was called the Committee on Public Information and was led by journalist George Creel.

Edward Bernays, an adviser to Wilson and participant in CPI operations, characterized the mission of CPI as the “engineering of consent” and “the conscious manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses.”

A typical poster for Liberty Bonds read: “I am Public Opinion. All men fear me!…[I]f you have money to buy and do not buy, I will make this No Man’s Land for you!” Other posters were created to mobilize the public and silence dissent.

A trained group of nearly a hundred thousand men gave four minute speeches to any audience that would listen. They portrayed Wilson as a larger-than-life leader and the Germans as less-than-human Huns, emphasizing fabricated German war crimes and horrors.

CPI released propaganda films entitled The Claws of the Hun, The Prussian Cur, To Hell With The Kaiser, and The Kaiser, the Beast of Berlin.

Wilson harshly suppressed dissent and resistance among citizens and the press.
At Wilson’s urging, a Sedition Act (not unlike the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 ) forbade Americans from criticizing their own government in a time of war. Citizens could not “utter, print, write or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language” about the government or the military. The Postmaster General was given the authority to revoke the mailing privileges of those who disobeyed. About 75 periodicals were were shut down by the government in this way and many others were given warnings.

In the fashion of a police state, the Department of Justice arrested tens of thousands of individuals without just cause. One was not safe even within the walls of one’s own home to criticize the Wilson administration. A letter to federal attorneys and marshals said that citizens had nothing to fear as long as they “Obey the law; keep your mouth shut.” In fact, the Justice Department created the precursor to the Gestapo called the American Protective League. Its job was to spy on fellow citizens and turn in “seditious” persons or draft dodgers. In September of 1918 in NYC, the APL rounded up about 50,000 people. This doesn’t even include the infamous Palmer Raids (named after Wilson’s attorney general) that occurred after the war.

In 1915, in his address to Congress, Wilson declared, “The gravest threats against our national peace and safety have been uttered within our own borders. There are citizens of the United States, I blush to admit, born under other flags…who have poured the poison of disloyalty into the very arteries of our national life; who have sought to bring the authority and good name of our Government into contempt, to destroy our industries wherever they thought it effective for their vindictive purposes….”

All in all it is estimated that about 175,000 Americans were arrested for failing to demonstrate their patriotism in one way or another.

Wilson took over the US economy completely.
He charged Bernard Baruch with running the War Industries Board, which would endeavor to control all industry in service to the state. It would serve as a precursor to the corporatist policies Mussolini and Hitler.

Grosvenor Clarkson, a member and later historian of the WIB, would characterize the WIB as follows: “It was an industrial dictatorship without parallel–a dictatorship by force of necessity and common consent which step by step at least encompassed the Nation and united it into a coordinated and mobile whole.” He would also later say that the war was “a story of the conversion of a hundred million combatively individualistic people into a vast cooperative effort in which the good of the unit was sacrificed to the good of the whole.” The government weakened the spirit of the people to resist government tyranny.

Rationing and price-fixing characterized the wartime command economy. (hmmm, sounds like communism and the Carter administration)

Wilson himself was a major cause of the outbreak of World War II.
It is a well-accepted fact that the extremely harsh and unfair terms of the Treaty of Versailles were the incipient cause of WW II. Wilson’s Fourteen Points were fair and persuaded the Germans to surrender before the allies devastated Germany. He had the opportunity to make sure Europe did not take revenge on Germany, but he let is slip away. He threw Germany to the dogs so he could have his worthless, utopian League of Nations. He deluded himself into thinking the League could make up for the other thirteen points. This stab in the back of Germany would give rise to Hitler and allow him to rouse the German people to war a mere two decades or so later. Therefore, in a very real sense, Wilson is responsible for all the horrors of WW II.

In sum, Wilson was the first fascist president of the US and first major fascist dictator of the 20th c.
Wilson took over the US economy, infringed on American civil liberties especially by suppressing dissent, oppressed the “unpatriotic,” and purposefully sought to drag the US into war. This Marxist, totalitarian, jingoistic, and militaristic Democrat president was a fascist. He worshiped the power of the state, and such statolatry is exactly what fascism is.

I don’t think President George W. Bush is a fascist, but his Wilsonian idealism for spreading democracy should disturb any conservative. America was attacked on 9/11; no such thing happened during Wilson’s presidency. The Patriot Act is no where near as harmful to civil liberties as Wilson’s Sedition Act was, if harmful at all.

Though the Democratic Party is largely dominated by anti-war people now (even though Soviet communism and radical Islam have been actual threats to national security unlike the Kaiser’s Germany), Wilson’s fascism still remains with the party, especially with regard to economics and expanding the power of the federal government in general whenever possible. This should not be surprising since fascism is a product of the Left, not the Right, side of the political spectrum.

(Reference The Politically Incorrect Guide to US History and Liberal Fascism)

148 Responses to “Woodrow Wilson: America’s Worst and First Fascist President”

  1. […] Kennedy because of his advocacy .. these are leftists. Democrat Woodrow Wilson was a fascist.. Woodrow Wilson: America’s Worst and First Fascist President Conservative Colloquium Fascism and Socialism and Communism are all leftist political […]

    • Will said

      Fascism is considered a right wing philosophy on the left-right political spectrum.

      • foospro86 said

        Wrongly considered a right-wing philosophy.

      • BlackBeaver said

        Remember, the distinction of “Left” and “Right” in the context of politics was started by the Communist Party to differentiate itself from other Socialist organizations. Thus the Communists portrayed themselves- the true Socialists- as on the Left; the Nazis (National Socialist German Workers Party), along with other a Fascist organizations, on the Right.

        So, yes, Fascism is “a right wing philosophy” among Socialists- one might say ‘the right side of the left’!

      • Jonah Goldberg wrote a seminal book called, “Liberal Fascism” that provides specific, detailed analysis of Fascism as a leftist political movement. It clearly contradicts the prevailing orthodoxy first articulated by the Communists (and then promoted by their proxies in the MSM and American academia) that Fascism is somehow a “right wing” political movement. “Liberal Fascism” is a fascinating, insightful book. I highly recommend it.

      • zodiachoax said

        I realize that this discussion is five years old, but I would like to remind you that the “official” Fascists in Italy, the National Socialists in Germany, and the Democrats under Wilson all presented themselves as “Progressive.” Only when we we decide to propagandize them as dictatorships do we start calling them “right-wing.”

      • @Zociachoax – Then again, many others called themselves ‘progressives’ or supported ‘progressivism’. It’s a rather vague category.

        In the early 20th century, American progressives included Christian Fundamentalists, Evangelicals, Mormons, and the KKK (those are just the few groups that offhand I know showed large support for progressivism). There originally was never seen any contradiction between progressivism, conservatism, and religiosity. Most Americans of that era were either progressives or were sympathetic to progressivism, and of course most Americans at the time were also extremely religious.

        As for fascism, I would point out that one of the key defining features of it has always been populist folk religiosity (whereas communism has been secular, although many people practiced religion openly in the Soviet countries, as secularism was more about the government). Fascism was popular in America earlier last century (soft fascism or corporatism is still popular to this day). There were many populist groups that supported fascist countries and promoted fascism in the US. Fascism was even popular among the business elite. Many US corporations had ties to fascist countries. That was always a distinction that separated the fascists from the communists. The communists didn’t attract many business elites, especially not the support of major corporations.

      • There are many distinctions between communism and fascism. I listed a few of them already: secularism vs religiosity and centralization of economy vs complicity between big gov and big biz. Another difference is that the ideal communist citizen is the worker and the ideal fascist citizen is the soldier. The most important difference is probably between internationalism and ethnonationalism, a distinction not just between communism and fascism but a distinction that also continues to define the left and right in the US.

        There are some commonalities as well, at least in terms of the famous 20th century examples. Both promote authoritarianism, anti-democracy, and social conservatism. The last one is the most interesting. When they came to power, communists and fascists alike were mistrusting or even violently oppressive toward freethinkers, intellectuals, artists, perceived sexual deviants, feminists, social democrats, etc.

      • Tony Listi said

        Social conservatism? HA. Both communism and fascism violently tore down the existing social fabric of society (largely Christian) to try and rebuild it in the communist/fascist ideal.

      • @Tony Listi – Actually, that isn’t true.

        Italian fascists aligned themselves with the Vatican. As for Nazis, they gained power partly through support by Christians, although ultimately Hitler wanted to create a new ethno-nationalistic religion. Nazis were obsessed with religion. Folk religiosity is one of the well known defining features of fascism. Tearing down social fabric is somewhat of a subjective assessment. Fascists tend to see themselves as defending their ethnic cultural identities and traditions. Hitler didn’t think he was simply creating something new, but was reviving what he believed had always made Germans inherently superior.

        Consider a different kind of example. Martin Luther didn’t see himself as destroying the existing social fabric of Catholicism. In his own mind, he was bringing Christianity back to its roots. Luther wasn’t a fascist, but it is the same basic social motivation. Fascists are obsessed with the perceived past, the way things are thought to have been and could be again, even when that perception of the past is a fantasy. Corey Robin has argued that conservatism often creates fantasies of the past. It is one of the greatest talents of conservatives.

        Communism is socially conservative, but in a different kind of way. It doesn’t have to do with a perceived past, per se. I’m not sure what motivates it exactly. It is interesting to note, however, that communism as authoritarian statism has only ever taken root countries that were already socially conservative and patriarchal. Russia was an extremely religious country and China was built on the state religion of Confucianism. In both cases, the dogmatism of the specific form of religiosity was easily redirected into communism.

      • Tony Listi said

        Mussolini and the Italian fascists hated the Catholic Church. They tried to curry favor with the Vatican in an attempt to neutralize its social and political power in Italy, not because they actually cared about the Catholicism that was part of the Italian social fabric. No historian should be fooled as Mussolini wanted the world to be fooled. Mussolini wanted to use the Catholic Church, as possible, for his own purposes, for his own legitimacy. And while the Church may have applauded certain laws that fell in line with Church teaching, the relationship with Mussolini was always tense because he was ultimately no friend of the Church. He wanted to take away education from the Church so that he could rebuild Italy toward his fascist anti-Catholic ideal and was largely successful. He wanted to replace God with the State (a universal leftist ideal), and the Church would not have any of that.

        True conservatism cannot be divorced from Christianity. And while fascism tried to co-opt Christianity in order to destroy it, the Catholic Church with the Vatican as its Rock never succumbed. True conservatism values historical truth based on historical rigor, not made-up fantasies. And the honest conservative will have to admit there has never been a Golden Age and never will be.

      • The relationship between Christians and fascists was always complex. There was the commonality of religiosity, but their forms of religiosity were often competing, whether church or state would be the ultimate authority. Also, church institutions were always in the tough position of dealing with powerful governments, especially when many Christians had become fascists and most saw no contradiction between the two. I’d also point out that there were 16 Catholic fascist dictators in the 20th century, including four who were ordained Catholic priests.

        I find interesting examples such as Russia and China. They both are and always have been patriarchal and socially conservative societies. That was true before the communist and Maoist revolutions, that was true after communism and Maoism came to power, and that was true when both countries transitioned into their present right-wing corporatism. The ideological propaganda and governing systems shift, but the socially conservative patriarchy remains in place.

        By the way, only fascists and fundamentalists would declare that there can only be one true form of Christianity or any other religion. Throughout history, there have always been many ideological positions held by Christians and churches. Even Jesus’ own words have elements of social liberalism, the very words that have been quoted for centuries by Christians on the political left. Of course, Jesus ultimately wasn’t a dogmatic ideologue of any variety.

        If you ever want to know more about the topic, here are some quotes and other info:

        “Life, therefore, as conceived by the Fascist, is serious, austere, religious: the whole of it is poised in a world supported by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the “comfortable” life. Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.”
        ~ Benito Mussolini, The Doctrine of Fascism

        “The fact that the Curia is now making its peace with Fascism shows that the Vatican trusts the new political realities far more than did the former liberal democracy with which it could not come to terms. . . . By trying to preach that democracy is still in the best interests of German Catholics, the Center Party . . . is placing itself in stark contradiction to the spirit of the treaty signed today by the Holy See. . . . The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy …proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism, to which the so-called Catholic Center Party sees itself so closely bound, to the detriment of Christianity today and our German people.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler, 1929 newspaper article

        “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler, 1934 speech

        “And now Staatspräsident Bolz says that Christianity and the Catholic faith are threatened by us. And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity. If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these fourteen years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler, 1933 speech

        “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler

        “We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press. . .we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler

        “If positive Christianity means love of one’s neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished a prodigious work”
        ~ Adolf Hitler, 1939 speech

        “I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Almighty Creator. By fighting the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s work.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p.65

        “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler, 1922 speech

        “The völkisch-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”
        ~ Adolf HItler, Mein Kampf, p. 562

        “Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith…. We need believing people.”
        ~ Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933

        “God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by God to save Germany.”
        ~ Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler

        Jesus “also wanted to act against the Jewish world domination. Jewry had him crucified. But Paul falsified his doctrine and undermined ancient Rome.”
        ~ Joseph Goebbels, diary

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

        “Fascism contains a strong amount of reactionary religious beliefs, harking back to times when religion was strict, potent, and pure. Nearly all Fascist societies are Christian, and are supported by Catholic and Protestant churches.”

        http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

        “Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_religion
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_fascism
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
        http://freedom.neilcadman.com/fascistcatholicdictators.htm
        https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11327.24.162.0/europe/vatican/catholic-corporatist-states
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_triangle_(badge)
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateran_Treaty
        http://www.concordatwatch.eu/topic-841.843

        Pope saved by Mussolini backed Nazi-Germany


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    • Mark Mahlum said

      Well put BlackBeaver.

      Ours is a fascism first, socialist second and capitalist a distant third economy, by definition. The private sector is heavily controlled, though not owned by the state. Government (at all levels) consume some 40%+ of everything and own infrastructure , defense, land resources, etc. That’s socialism. Come to think of it, there is no free market capitalism in the U.S. anymore. And fascism is a left wing ideology because it is collectivist, not individualist. Everything in fascism, like communism and socialism is for the good of the whole at the expense of the individual. Thus, the Democrat party is split between socialism and fascism. Republicans are a little bit socialist, somewhat fascist and most of all capitalist. I’m speaking about economic philosophies, of course.

      • Bloodgame said

        “Everything in fascism, like communism and socialism is for the good of the whole at the expense of the individual.”

        Nope, you simply don´t know what fascism is.

    • Timmy B said

      While I don’t agree completely with the politics of this assessment, over all I’d say its fair. Fascism comes from either side of the political spectrum. To think that it only comes from the left is extremely myopic.:

      • Tony Listi said

        Seeing as fascism is merely national SOCIALISM, I think it’s very appropriate to say it comes only from the left, and not from the right, properly defined.

  2. […] peoples party, the Democrats, do not care about Americans. Does this not show they are following in Woodrow Wilson’s footsteps who had a 175,000 people arrested in America arrested for speaking out against […]

  3. […] will Obama follow in Wilson’s footsteps? A link for those of you who have no idea about Wilson. https://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/woodrow-wilson-americas-worst-and-first-fasci… Thoughts? __________________ Women want me and men want to be […]

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  5. adude said

    I think you have borrowed a lot of material from a book called liberal fascism but might have missed the point he was trying to make in the book. Fascism wasn’t a single idea but a wave of ideas that centered around the notion that governments, the state, and the citizens were a part of one body and the body had a right to purge anything it wanted for whatever reason for the health of that body which is the state. I am reading it to and it seemed like he and others believed that “purging” was needed in order to establish some greater social order. This allowed him to do all the stuff that he did do during his presidency which is different from what Bush did after 911. He did it for national security while Wilson did it to promote his “progressive” idealogy. Now you tell me what is more fascist of the two.

    • Mike Abbott said

      I dont buy Bush doing it for “national security”..there is always some pretext for travesties such as the “patriot act” and the antics of Wilson. Hitler also professed to act in the intrests of “national security.” I think the bottom line is we confuse facism with a political party or fundamental form of government when in reality it is a single tennent of a political philosophy. Facist can indeed come from the left or right… Infact it is derived from ideoogies of both spectrums. In short the term can accurately be used to describe a entity of either end of the spectrum who is not a political pureist which are infact rare.

      • Tony Listi said

        Fascism is nothing more than national socialism rather than international socialism. And socialism is of the political left. So fascism is originally and inherently of leftist origin and orientation. Conservative patriotism is not equivalent to nationalism or imperialism. The true conservative has no desire to socially engineer other countries (i.e. spread democracy around the world by military force). Bush is and was a neocon.

    • DELUSIONAL! George W. Bush, a Neocon puppet to the master string pullers such as Wolfowitz, Kristol, and many other PNAC types., did NOT engage Iraq and Afghanistan for national security reasons. The CAUSED 911 in the first place. To wit: there never was any commercial Boeing 757 recovered from Shanksville, PA., nor was there any Boeing 757 recovered from the Pentagon. Furthermore, you cannot get alleged aircraft debris sailing through the air and landing EIGHT miles away in New Baltimore, from an aircraft alleged to have impacted in Shanksville, with a negative angle of attack according to its NTSB vouched for Flight Data Recorder. That’s simply impossible.

      All this talk about fascism, communism, socialism and capitalism, clearly misses the point. The real word people need to be studying is Neo-Imperialism. Or, put another way, The New World Order – something that the vast majority of people don’t understand. It is completely predicated on Spiritual Wickedness in High Places. The calling card of Neo-Imperialism is to turn the masses into Economic Slaves who are completely blind to the underlying Cause & Effect that drives their lifestyle and life choices.

      I realize this thread was about Wilson. I realize that it was posted by someone who is blinded by politics and politicking, in an attempt to make one side of the mainstream U.S. political spectrum look worse than the other. But, the truth of the matter is that Party Politics is a Blindfold being propped-up by Neo-Imperialists over the eyes of the masses to keep them in the dark about a Global System of Spiritual Wickedness and Massive Corruption at all levels and its attempt (successful, I might add) to keep you and your generations, Economic Slaves, expressly for their benefit.

      Wilson’s illegal entry into WWI was part of that plan. Bush 43’s illegal entry into Afghanistan and Iraq, was part of that plan. And, the pending illegal entry into Iran, will also be part of that plan – regardless of which “party” sits in the White House.

  6. foospro86 said

    Depends what you mean by “purging.” In some nations, liberal fascists have been content to take over the educational system, media, and arts & entertainment industry. In others, purging meant genocide.

    True enough, 9/11 exposed a real security threat, unlike what happened in the lead up to WWI. There are definitely differences between Wilson and Bush. But at the same time, regardless of the impetus, they both seem to have had the same questionable goal: “making the world safe for democracy,” which basically means reshaping the world in America’s image. This is not a conservative idea at the root; it does not contain the humility that comes from a recognition of the power of culture, tradition, and history in all human societies. Western culture may be quite superior to others, but that doesn’t mean something good can come of trying to impose Western institutions on peoples with a non-Western culture. It has to be an absolute last resort and done prudently, if even then.

  7. […] the father of fascism, came from a socialist background, and was inspired by Democrat Woodrow Wilson, who has been called the world’s first modern dictator. The term “fascist” comes […]

  8. […] Obama be the next Woodrow Wilson? Woodrow Wilson: America’s Worst and First Fascist President Conservative Colloquium Snippet from article: […]

  9. octavian said

    I do not mean to impugn or minimize the suffering and bravery of the American troops who fought in WWI, but the entry by the US into the war was the seminal tragedy of the 20th Century, an act that was the beginning the death and destruction that cascade down through decades and has still not ended.

  10. patriot said

    You should add the fact that woodrow wilson was the president that gave us the Federal Reserve
    and the IRS two planks of the communist manifesto, and of course all us patriots know we are still under this communist maggot economic system that is the cause of all of america’s problems
    since 1913. Ron Paul is the man to rip this whole demoncrap communist economic system out by the roots and throw it in the middle of the road for us to all run over it. If I could ever
    get into the White House Constitutional Money would be my first Executive Order. Republicans must stop going along with this global marxist economic crap and invoke common sense and flat out physically enforce our sovereignty by arresting and charging the whole democrat party with
    treason. We are sovereign the government is not, and it’s only authority came from us sovereign
    people. we hold ultimate police authority to enforce the common law, magna charta, constitution and use the assise courts to try and convict the democraps for treason. Even Ken Starr made a statement about the sovereignty of the people to the Whittier Daily News a few days ago as it pertains to the voters right to amend the California Constitution with proposition 8 forever banning gay marriage. Look, Thomas Paine wrote “Common Sense” to overthrow red coats and the british tyranny, and that book is just as viable to overthrow the demoncrap maggots today as back in 1775. After all todays democrat party is far more vile than the red coats ever were. The
    Founding Fathers had it right and Republicans must thump the shit out of the demoncrap maggots, throw out their communist maggot economic, and political system and go back strictly to the U.S.A. Constitution free market capitalist republic and pass laws to forever criminalize anyone
    who suggests any totalitarian legislation like marxism or keneysian economics ever be part of our republic again. And the Free Enterprise Society did prove that only 3 states ever ratified the 16th amendment, but Woodrow Wilson rubber stamped it along with the Federal Reserve Act both in 1913 the corporate defacto incorporation of every geographic subdivision of the U.S. has followed making sovereign citizens federal tax slave subjects by adhesion contracts, and volumes of unconstitutional revenue and law enforcement codes to steal wealth form the sovereign people of U.S.A. channeling it into marxist corporate de facto democrat coffers.

    • dale said

      This is exactly how Hitler attacked the left, with the same words “communist maggots,: etc. Fascism lives by attacking the left. The first people Hitler sent to the concentrations camps were lefties, liberals, socialists, anarchists, and communists.

      Jonah Goldberg says in an interview in the California Literary Review (2008):

      “Democracy and liberalism are not fascistic.” A strange comment for the autor of Liberal Fascism.

      Fascists always rise to power by denouncing liberals and leftists. The face of American fascism today is the conservative preaching that liberalism itself is fascistic, just as the face of modern racism is the racist arguing that blacks are the real racists.

      • Prodius said

        Liberalism is not Fascist but when Goldberg talks of Liberalism he means Classic Liberal and not today’s Progressive fascists. The only thing close to the classic Laissez Faire Liberalism of the 18th, 19th and early 20th Century Liberalism is today’s Libertarians and Constitutional Conservatives.

        Nothing of the modern Liberal has anything to do with Liberalism but everything to do with Progressivism/Fascism.

      • Classical liberals included a wide variety of people. It included plutocratic slave owners, and it should be noted that fascism was built on a particular form of plutocracy (collusion of state and industry) where slavery was sometimes used (e.g., Nazis). But classical liberals also included democratic progressives such as Thomas Paine (read “Agrarian Justice” to see the origins of modern American progressivism).

  11. […] From Conservative Colloquium: ….forbade Americans from criticizing their own government in a time of war. Citizens could […]

  12. RaiulBaztepo said

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  13. Don’t forget the Eugenics movement, the racism he projected, His administration had fans of the progressive movement in Italy and Germany in the early 20th century. The list goes on. He gave us prohibition of booze!

    Then they stuck a knife in the back of the constitution and came up with the living document concept because they felt dealing with getting the states to sign off on amendments to the constitution for the creation of FED the IRS, ect was too much to risk when it came to saving Humanity.

    Mad man. Look at us now.

  14. James said

    He was also a racist. Wilson resegregated the military and for the first time segregated the civilian agencies of the Federal government and he band blacks from his political convention.

    • James said

      *and he banned blacks from*

    • Mateo said

      Very good summary of Liberal Fascism. It’s incredible how most Left-Wingers are completely ignorant to this fact.

      Another great read on the ill-policies of Wilson is “Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism” by Ronald J. Pestritto. Awesome book.

      God bless you all and God bless America!

  15. […] Woodrow Wilson: America’s Worst and First Fascist President […]

  16. […] to disregard the balance of powers is and should be unnerving and unsettling. This is what Woodrow Wilson and FDR did, and they were both very, very nasty men […]

  17. Hank said

    Great points, and never ever taught to us in high school. My edutainment company produced a podcast called “Hank Meets Rin Tin Tin” for the Hank’s Handheld podcast. Woodrow Wilson is featured (and debased). Give it a listen. We’ll have to further skewer Wilson in future podcasts.
    Thanks

  18. […] Gingrich Calls Bipartisan Health Summit “A Public Relations Dance” and Says Democratic Leaders Are Making “A Last, Desperate Effort…Through Reconcilliation” to Pass Obamacare Socialism Posted on February 24, 2010 by Denny The American People have not found an opponent so disingenuous, so out-of-the-mainstream, so arrogant, so obstinate and so committed to Leftist Ideology in the Presidency as this current President is since at least Woodrow Wilson tried to force this nation into becoming a Fascist/Socialist State. […]

  19. […] Gingrich Calls Bipartisan Health Summit “A Public Relations Dance” and Says Democratic Leaders Are Making “A Last, Desperate Effort…Through Reconcilliation” to Pass Obamacare Socialism Posted on February 24, 2010 by Denny The American People have not found an opponent so disingenuous, so out-of-the-mainstream, so arrogant, so obstinate and so committed to Leftist Ideology in the Presidency as this current President is since at least Woodrow Wilson tried to force this nation into becoming a Fascist/Socialist State. […]

  20. […] Gingrich Calls Bipartisan Health Summit “A Public Relations Dance” and Says Democratic Leaders Are Making “A Last, Desperate Effort…Through Reconcilliation” to Pass Obamacare Socialism Posted on February 24, 2010 by Denny The American People have not found an opponent so disingenuous, so out-of-the-mainstream, so arrogant, so obstinate and so committed to Leftist Ideology in the Presidency as this current President is since at least Woodrow Wilson tried to force this nation into becoming a Fascist/Socialist State. […]

  21. […] Gingrich Calls Bipartisan Health Summit “A Public Relations Dance” and Says Democratic Leaders Are Making “A Last, Desperate Effort…Through Reconcilliation” to Pass Obamacare Socialism Posted on February 24, 2010 by Denny The American People have not found an opponent so disingenuous, so out-of-the-mainstream, so arrogant, so obstinate and so committed to Leftist Ideology in the Presidency as this current President is since at least Woodrow Wilson tried to force this nation into becoming a Fascist/Socialist State. […]

  22. […] get closer to home and go with some American history shall we! Let’s look at president Woodrow Wilson he imprisoned Americans who disagreed with him! He banned the press from reporting bad news about […]

  23. […] The answer to that isn’t entirely unpredictable – Unprecedented expansion of government, pandering to unions, unmitigated power grab by the federal government.  These socialist and progressive policies harken back to the days of Woodrow Wilson, whose policies were the shining example to Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin. […]

  24. […] was Woodrow Wilson, “the father of the Progressive movement,” who RE-segregated the military, and who […]

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  26. Ross Wolf said

    Could Obama Be America’s First Defacto President?

    Innocent Americans increasingly are sent to prison based on false evidence manufactured by police forensic crime labs. Now President Obama wants the power to incarcerate U.S. Citizens not on evidence, but for what they might do.

    Compare: Two days after the 1933 burning of Germany’s Parliament Building, blamed on communists, Hitler responded with a powerful speech before Parliament. Hitler asked Parliament to suspend sections of the Reich Constitution that protected Citizens’ Rights and Civil Liberties. Hitler said the suspension was necessary so government could protect the homeland from being destroyed by communists. Hitler promised Parliament the Constitution would later be restored. After Parliament passed Hitler’s Discriminatory Decrees and Hitler signed it February 28, 1933, Hitler immediately used the news laws to abolished Parliament. See Hitler’s 1933 Discriminatory Laws below:

    Obama gave a speech in May 2010, that proposed incarcerating in indefinite prolonged detention without evidence, any person government deemed a “combatant” or likely to engage in a violent act in the future; that would include U.S. Citizens “without evidence of wrongdoing.” With that amount power Obama like Hitler could arrest members of Congress, drag U.S. Citizens off the street and from their homes to be imprisoned indefinitely based only on Government’s claim they are a “combatant” or likely to engage in a violent act in the future.

    If Congress approves Obama’s categories of people likely to engage in violent acts, overnight millions of lawful U.S. activists could be subject to arrest, Indefinite Prolonged Detention. When you examine Obama’s speech, it appears Obama wants retroactive power to incarcerate anyone government claims (prior) supported violent acts on the premise that person is likely to support violent acts in the future: U.S. activists would be extremely vulnerable because no activist can control what another activist or group might do illegally they network with domestically or overseas. Government would only have to allege a person; group or organization might commit a violent act in the future to order Preventative Detention of lawful participants with no evidence whatsoever. Americans would be afraid to speak out.

    It is foreseeable any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners could be deemed by authorities a “Combatant” or likely to engage in or cause violent acts: government too easily could claim an author’s writings inspired people in the past and will in the future to commit or support violent acts. It is problematic that indefinitely detained U.S. Citizens not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings or allowed legal counsel; interrogated, will be prosecuted for ordinary crimes because of their alleged admissions while held in indefinite “Prolonged Detention. Obama wants the power to override the U.S. Constitution. Obama wants the power to detain indefinitely any American without probable cause or evidence, based on conjecture someone might do something violent in the future.

    Obama similar to Hitler is centralizing power in the federal Government by getting passed legislation the U.S. government could potentially use to intimidate and threaten corporations among others. Hitler got passed similar laws shortly before the burning of the German Parliament building blamed on the communists. Immediately after the fire, Hitler used his new laws to coerce corporations and influential Citizens to support passage of fascist legislation that suspended provisions of the German Constitution that protected Citizens’ freedoms and civil liberties. Obama is now approaching a position where he can use similar new laws, including the Patriot Act and 200 asset forfeiture laws to seize any corporation or individual’s assets; and force U.S. corporations and other institutions like Hitler did to support legislation that threatens or curtails rights of Americans.

    More recently Obama has moved forward to crush Free Speech, silence his critics by pushing passage of HR 5175: this abomination will choke the 1st Amendment, denying the right of free speech to ordinary Americans. Under Title II: groups like Gun Owners of America and other groups including bloggers that only mention “public officials” within 60 days of an election, could be required to file onerous disclosures–and potentially have to disclose their membership lists—despite the Supreme Court ruling in NAACP v. Alabama that held membership lists like those of GOA’s) are off limits to government control. Is Obama’s support of HR 5175 similar to what Hitler did to shut up his critics? In the run up to Parliament passing his police state laws including the 1933 Discriminatory Decrees that abolished Citizen’s Free Speech, Hitler employed thugs to beat up reporters, arrest anyone who had courage to criticize the Fuhrer or his Nazi government or expose introduced legislation. Is Obama by supporting HR 5175 to shut up his critics, trying to American to the same place?

    Alarmingly the Obama Government recently employed a vendor to search Internet social networking sites to collect about information about Americans that could potentially be used by this government to injure Americans, for example, if you apply for a federal job, your name might be crossed referenced by the Obama Government with comments you made at Websites against Obama; or if you make application at a bank for a loan the Government has control since the financial crisis, could your Internet comment(s) prevent you getting that loan? Obama’s monitoring of the Internet sites can too easily be used by Government to intimidate Citizens from speaking out. Obama Top CZAR Cass Sunstein prepared a 2008 paper that proposed spying on Americans, infiltrating groups and organizations to obstruct Free Speech, disrupt the exchange of ideas and disseminate false information to neutralize Americans that might question government.
    See: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=121884

    See Hitler’s 1933 Nazi Laws below:

    DECREE OF THE REICH PRESIDENT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PEOPLE AND STATE

    Note: Based on translations by State Department, National Socialism, 1942 PP. 215-17, and Pollak, J.K., and Heneman, H.J., The Hitler Decrees, (1934), pp. 10-11.7

    In virtue of Section 48 (2) of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against Communist acts of Violence, endangering the state:

    Section 1
    Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

    Section 2
    If in a state the measures necessary for the restoration of public security and order are not taken, the Reich Government may temporarily take over the powers of the highest state authority.

    Section 4
    Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.

    Whoever endangers human life by violating Section 1, is to be punished by sentence to a penitentiary, under mitigating circumstances with imprisonment of not less than six months and, when violation causes the death of a person, with death, under mitigating circumstances with a penitentiary sentence of not less that two years. In addition the sentence my include confiscation of property.

    Whoever provokes an inciter to or act contrary to public welfare is to be punished with a penitentiary sentence, under mitigating circumstances, with imprisonment of not less than three months.

    Section 5
    The crimes which under the Criminal Code are punishable with penitentiary for life are to be punished with death: i.e., in Sections 81 (high treason), 229 (poisoning), 306 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (floods), 315, paragraph 2 (damage to railroad properties, 324 (general poisoning).

    Insofar as a more severe punishment has not been previously provided for, the following are punishable with death or with life imprisonment or with imprisonment not to exceed 15 years:

    1. Anyone who undertakes to kill the Reich President or a member or a commissioner of the Reich Government or of a state government, or provokes to such a killing, or agrees to commit it, or accepts such an offer, or conspires with another for such a murder;

    2. Anyone who under Section 115 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious rioting) or of Section 125 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious disturbance of the peace) commits the act with arms or cooperates consciously and intentionally with an armed person;

    3. Anyone who commits a kidnapping under Section 239 of the Criminal with the intention of making use of the kidnapped person as a hostage in the political struggle.

    Section 6
    This decree enters in force on the day of its promulgation.

    Reich President
    Reich Chancellor
    Reich Minister of the Interior
    Reich Minister of Justice

  27. KeithinCpitola said

    I haven’t seen where anyone said anything about the Federal reserve Act that he signed. It was the worst bill ever signed into law. Below is a quote from him about exactly what it did and is still doing to every person in the country. And have you ever heard a government representative say anything about this except Rep Ron Paul? And to further make this point in a speech gien by Senator LaFollette and Congressman Lindbergh and a quote by George F. Baker., partner of J.P. Morgan.
    President Wilson later came to regret signing the bill: “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

    The speeches of Senator LaFollette and Congressman Lindbergh became rallying points of opposition to the Aldrich Plan in 1912. They also aroused popular feeling against the Money Trust. Congressman Lindbergh said, on December 15, 1911,
    “The government prosecutes other trusts, but supports the money trust. I have been waiting patiently for several years for an opportunity to expose the false money standard, and to show that the greatest of all favoritism is that extended by the government to the money trust.”
    Senator LaFollette publicly charged that a money trust of fifty men controlled the United States. George F. Baker., partner of J.P. Morgan, on being queried by reporters as to the truth of the charge, replied that it was absolutely in error. He said that he knew from personal knowledge that not more than eight men ran this country.

    • dale said

      A common thread of progressive issues is the distrust of the banking elites.
      On this issue, conservatives and progressives can unite, as they did in the era when the original Progressive movement arose out of the Republic Party.

      And we can all unite on ending the wars, bringing the troops home, ending american imperialism, and drastically cutting the 1.4 trillion defense budget.

      Break up and control the banks; end American military aggression and reduce the size of defense: Ron Paul conservatives and progressives can unite on these critical issues.

      The Elites practice divide and conquer, as their natural constituency is very small. Wedge issues like guns, gays, and God separate natural allies.

      We all suffer from elite rule, banks and corporations which corrupt government with their wealth and power, and we all suffer from a defense budget 25 larger than Russia’s, 15 times larger than China: a form of permanant war to create a war economy for the socialism for the weapons makers.

      Why can’t we unite on these issues? As long as conservatives consider their first job as attacking liberals (as in liberals are fascists), they will be unable to make common cause with their natural allies, the progressives who reject the corporatocracy, the war economy, and the suppression of civil rights.

      • As opposed to liberals attacking conservatives?

        You do make some good points on this post, but I can see by your your prior posts that you are unwilling to even consider Wilson being a tyrant. So, how will it be possible to even meet in the middle, if you refuse to concede that Wilson was a son of a bitch as Bush is ?

  28. Dear Forum
    I does not surprise me that progressives have sterilized school books, and curriculum’s, of the truth behind Wilson’s and FDR’s attempts to rule the country under the guise of benevolence and caring for the people of America. Once they had acquired enough power and control over our laws and courts they would have shown their true colors. FDR tried to subvert the law and make it a 15 member supreme court. He wanted to appoint 6 more judges to pack the court with people of his own choosing and ideology. He wanted government control of businesses and industries. Just like governmental socialism. By the time Wilson and FDR died the American people had had enough of each one and in FDR’s case passed a Constitutional amendment to limit terms to 2 for President’s. For the most part Wilson’s ideas were known by the people and by the time he died people were almost in revolt and fed up with him. His wife kept things going for a while but they could not keep up with events. As far as I know, he was the absolute worst President we have ever elected to the office. He was such a bigot and racist they could not keep people from knowing about it. FDR’s policies kept the crash going for a lot longer time period than if he had let everything fail and just start over. It was his efforts to keep every company going and create new government agencies to put people to work and by doing so, prolonged the depression and made it deeper. When FDR died, socialism was dead and Truman went on with the good principals of capitalism. Nothing is perfect and no one always does it right. We learn by fault and trying harder. What we need more than anything else is new people with new ideas. They go to Washington with goals in mind, and when they accomplish them, go home and become good citizens. NO MORE CAREER POLITICIANS who never leave Washington. People that have never held a job or worked for a living, never built any kind of business or been involved in starting one. No more families of politicians handing office down to their children or relatives. No more Kennedy clans with built up fantasies about family history. If you want a real shock that will curl your hair. Read about the TRUE history of the democratic party. The true history of the republican party with civil rights proves that whey were the ones who pushed every civil rights bill and it was the democrats that blocked them in every instance. Please don’t believe me. Just look it up yourselves. Go to Google and print out ( The true history of the democratic party.) Then look up ( The true history of Civil rights with the Republican party. ) Read it and then tell me I am wrong. God Bless America.

  29. […] The Republicans moved to the right during the Bush years. But more importantly, conservative rhetoric became increasingly intolerant, strident, extreme and unhinged; a 2008 book that un-ironically promoted Adolf Hitler as a “man of the left” vaulted up the bestseller charts, its lessons now taken as gospel by millions of conservatives. Long-ago Democratic president Woodrow Wilson, meanwhile, known to most of us as a modestly progressive idealist, is in the rightwing canon America’s first fascist ruler. […]

  30. […] The Republicans moved to the right during the Bush years. But more importantly, conservative rhetoric became increasingly intolerant, strident, extreme and unhinged; a 2008 book that un-ironically promoted Adolf Hitler as a “man of the left” vaulted up the bestseller charts, its lessons now taken as gospel by millions of conservatives. Long-ago Democratic president Woodrow Wilson, meanwhile, known to most of us as a modestly progressive idealist, is in the rightwing canon America’s first fascist ruler. […]

  31. […] The Republicans moved to the right during the Bush years. But more important, conservative rhetoric became increasingly intolerant, strident, extreme and unhinged; a 2008 book that un-ironically promoted Adolf Hitler as a “man of the left” vaulted up the bestseller charts, its lessons now taken as gospel by millions of conservatives. Long-ago Democratic president Woodrow Wilson, meanwhile, known to most of us as a modestly progressive idealist, is in the right-wing canon America’s first fascist ruler. […]

  32. […] The Republicans moved to the right during the Bush years. But more important, conservative rhetoric became increasingly intolerant, strident, extreme and unhinged; a 2008 book that un-ironically promoted Adolf Hitler as a “man of the left” vaulted up the bestseller charts, its lessons now taken as gospel by millions of conservatives. Long-ago Democratic president Woodrow Wilson, meanwhile, known to most of us as a modestly progressive idealist, is in the right-wing canon America’s first fascist ruler. […]

  33. […] The Republicans moved to the right during the Bush years. But more importantly, conservative rhetoric became increasingly intolerant, strident, extreme and unhinged; a 2008 book that un-ironically promoted Adolf Hitler as a “man of the left” vaulted up the bestseller charts, its lessons now taken as gospel by millions of conservatives. Long-ago Democratic president Woodrow Wilson, meanwhile, known to most of us as a modestly progressive idealist, is in the rightwing canon America’s first fascist ruler. […]

  34. […] The Republicans moved to the right during the Bush years. But more important, conservative rhetoric became increasingly intolerant, strident, extreme and unhinged; a 2008 book that un-ironically promoted Adolf Hitler as a “man of the left” vaulted up the bestseller charts, its lessons now taken as gospel by millions of conservatives. Long-ago Democratic president Woodrow Wilson, meanwhile, known to most of us as a modestly progressive idealist, is in the right-wing canon America’s first fascist ruler. […]

  35. […] a fascist president, wonderful Woodrow. Good read on the real progressive president Wilson: Woodrow Wilson: America’s Worst and First Fascist President Conservative Colloquium Could you have possibly picked a more far right website? While some of that may be true, going by […]

  36. TOM JANTZ said

    Hello! Excellent article on Pres. Wilson. He was a fraud bigtime and it is a shame that the american history books, for the most part, give him a free pass and put him on a pedistal. Same with Pres. Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves right now, hoping and praying that people like Rep. Ron Paul come to office/educate the American people. I have a big interest in military history but I also know that world events are manipulated by hidden forces and wars are for profit. Our armed forces are always blamed for fighting in wars not needed. Our fighting men and women should all read ” War is a Racket ” by Gen S. Butler, USMC. { I believe I have his name correct ] Our armed forces should be strong and ready to defend this country but at the same time be aware of the worlds manipulaters and the Military Industrial complex. You are truly a patriot and a follower of the Founding Fathers, good for you for your web site. Hope all is well with you and yours! Tom Jantz in Mich.

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  53. dale said

    The Progressive era was a mix of Republican and Democratic ideas, with both business and labor support. Liberal fascism is a contradiction in terms. Progressivism contains a consistent populist desire to break up monopolies and create competitive free markets; fascism is “the merging of the interests of the state and the corporations.” (Mussolini). Break up monopolies and regulating business to prevent unfair practices is the opposite of merging of State and corporations. For a real merge, look at the Bush regime: Bush of Big Oil, Cheney of Big Oil and Military/Industrial Complex, Condi Rice of Big Oil, Paulson of Big Banks. This was total fascism, as not only the interests but the actual elites of the corporations became the leaders of the state. And look at the result: 9/11 allowed to happen, two senseless costly wars, nearly doubling the national debt, and the economic collapse of 2008, of which Bush said “We have abandoned the principles of the free market in order to save the free market.” Exactly.

    Fascism, historically, whether of Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet or McCarthy, rises to power by denouncing liberals. To then call liberalism fascist seems to be a total absurdity.
    Hitler hated, fired, imprisoned, and killed lefties. Tell the dead German liberals that they are not the victims of fascism but the cause of it!

    Fascism also always accepts a class society with inequality accepted. Progressives always fight to end class society and increase inequality. Progressives, Wilson notwithstanding, have a long history of being anti-war, from Vietnam to Iraq.

    There is no liberal fascism, but there is American fascism, which the progressives of today are criticizing in their journals and opposing with deep commitment. Remember that when whether govt controls corporations or corporations control govt, or just when the interests and roles of the state and corporations “merge,” we have fascism, filled out by racism (anti-immigrant; anti-Muslim, anti-black), preemptive wars, and suppressing human rights.

    Fascism arose of German and Italian rightwing politics and campaigned against the liberals of the Weimar Republic and Italy. Liberals, because they opposed fascism, were the first victims. This fact alone proves how foolish and “fascistic (ie attacking liberals) the liberalism is fascism thesis is.

    JOnah Goldberg refutes his own thesis when he says, in an interview (CAlifornia Literary Review, 2008): ” Democracy and liberalism are not fascistic.” He says this in defending our fascistic invasion of Iraq, as we seek to force on them liberal democracy.

    But the ill-informed will not be deterred in using this concept to attack liberals. It’s all they have, and they are brainwashed to support policies which hurt their own best interests. Liberals should be criticized, but to claim that liberalism is fascism is a revision of history which dishonors all those liberals who have died, and continue to die, at the hands of fascist leaders throughout the world.

    • Both Mussolini and Hitler saw liberals and left-wingers as some of their primary enemies (intellectuals, artists, homosexuals, and other similar people were also targeted). These enemies of the state were forced to escape or else were imprisoned, put in concentration camps, tortured, killed, or otherwise silenced. The Nazis had a special concentration camp patch for liberals and left-wingers, just as the Jews had. It was important to the Nazis that everyone was sorted and labeled properly, especially enemies.

  54. HLD1968 said

    Actually, the Republicans were shoved out of the American political process from about 1907 until 1921. TR unconsciously began the Progressive movement and Wilson exploited all of the things that Democrats, Progressives and Populists wanted in an ideological world. Republicans, like today, were busy working and trying to keep their businesses together than getting involved in the World Political Theater.

    Hitler, like Pol Pot, Peron and assorted other dictators, targeted intellectuals who espoused freedom of speech and free will–not “liberals” per se.

    If you ask me, I’d say you’re a little imbalanced, there, Fella. You say we can all agree on something, yet you present a whole laundry list of ideas you expect us to agree on. Seems kinda Fascistic to me.

    I whole-heartedly disagree with your “break up and control the banks” dictum. Stay the heck away from my bank and my money. You devalue my labor it by taking the juvenile notion of creating more cash, and then sending it out into the ether or to entities that offer no service or value.

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  57. I was also told that Woodrow Wilson was a Silver-Tongued Devil Talker.
    That means anytime he gave a speech he said great things but they mean something really bad.
    He desegregated the U.S. Army seperating the black and white soldiers.
    During World War I the black solders were authorized to sheild the white soldiers.
    Very few black soldiers ever returned to the U.S. after the war was fought.
    The movie that inspired him was “The Birth of a Nation.” This movie glorified the actions
    of the Ku Klux Klan.
    My question is how could ppl tell if Wilson was lying? Back when he was president
    your only source of communication was newspapers.

  58. Francis said

    So true

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  61. William said

    It ought to be pointed out that the Republican congress shot down the League of Nations that could have gone a long when in preventing the outbreak of WW2. Wilson wasn’t a “good guy”, but he did have some positive vision.

    • Tony Listi said

      The notion that the League of Nations could have prevented WW2 is pretty laughable. Probably would have prolonged the delusional appeasement.

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  63. Myron Klutts said

    You are correct in your assessment of this socialist. Lets us not forget he was a big supporter of the league of nations and income tax. I put him in the class of what I consider to be the worst five presidents. They are (not in order of their destructive efforts) Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, and the enigma we now have called Barack Obama.

  64. Descanti said

    The writer leaves out the part of the Rothschilds and the Zionist pressure placed on Wilson to enter the war as a result of the deal cut between the powerful Jews in Europe to gain control over Palestine…..after which, German Jewery stabbed gentile Germans in the back after WW I…

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  76. Bob Kurtz said

    He is the most overrated President in our history. As many have pointed out Wilson’s foreign policies resulted in Hitler. That’s what happens when you elect the son of ministers. He was pious and this was one of his better points. Fortunately he was the last openly racist President. His campaign for his “League of Nations”
    shows his inability to deal with opposing points of view. He also in my opinion was responsible for Warren Harding (our worst President to be elected). Charles Evans Hughes would have been a great president (lost in 1916 thanks to the impeding US involvement in WW1). I believe Wilson always planned for the US to be involved in the needless WW1 but waited until he was reelected to do so

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  78. Mary from the Constellation Orion said

    *The U.S. needs to not only eliminate the IRS, but also Rescind the 16th Amendment (Federal Income Tax – Feb. 3, 1913), ……..
    *Rescind the 17th Amendment (State Senators elected by the people, instead of chosen by each State’s House members – April 8, 1913) ……
    *Complete rescind and abolishment the Federal Reserve Bank enacted December 23, 1913.
    All of the above abhorrent actions took place under the constitution shredder Woodrow Wilson….. President of the United States from 1913 to 1921.

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  82. john said

    Fascism even existed when Wilson was President? Not making things up are you? LOLOL

    Fascism is a right wing ideology, not left.

    8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism,”

    “Né individui fuori dello Stato, né gruppi (partiti politici, associazioni, sindacati, classi). Perciò il fascismo è contro il socialismo”
    Mussolini, Doctrine of Fascism (1932)

    • Tony Listi said

      Socialism is of the political left, and Fascism is nothing more than National Socialism (as the Nazis termed it) or socialism at the national level rather than at the worldwide level (Communism wanted worldwide stateless/one-world-government socialism.).

      Mussolini meant Socialism as it was understood then, namely worldwide stateless/one-world-government socialism.

      If one then looks at what policies Wilson actually implemented domestically in the USA, one can see the government taking control of private corporations and viciously punishing any attacks against the State/government, namely, an agenda of national socialism, aka fascism.

      • Sergeant343 said

        North Korea calls themselves, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, so does that mean that they are a Democratic Republic? Also, is right wing authoritarian a myth? If yes, then what makes you better than those on the left who say that left wing authoritarian is a myth?

      • Tony Listi said

        If you want something like “right-wing authoritarianism”, you’ll have to go back to the age of kings and queens. And even many of them checked and balanced by other forces in society (i.e. the Church, the nobility, etc.).

        But to say that National Socialism is right-wing is just wrong-headed.

      • @Tony – So, something is left-wing because you say so. And you say it is left-wing just because you somehow have secret knowledge that everyone who disagrees with you lack. There are banana republics that call themselves democratic, even though they don’t have functioning democracies. It is irrelevant what a government calls itself. What matters is how it acts. To argue otherwise is pure ignorance and utterly pointless.

      • Tony Listi said

        “It is irrelevant what a government calls itself. What matters is how it acts.”
        Exactly! And you think that fascists just called themselves national socialists but didn’t actually enact socialism on the national level?? Are you not aware of what their economic program was?

        You make a distinction between “centralization of economy vs complicity between big gov and big biz.” But you know what? That’s a distinction without a substantive difference. They are both socialism. Whether the corporation is explicitly owned by the government or merely controlled and directed by government and allowed the pretense of being independent makes very little difference.

      • The economic program was corporatism, as Mussolini called it. It was the alliance of big government, big biz (especially industry), and big money interests. The wealthy ownership class was given special privileges, including being allowed to use slave labor for private profit. That is the opposite of communism, at least in the theory, where the working class was idealized.

  83. john said

    Plus: Oxford dictionary, fascism: “An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.”
    “The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach”

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fascism

    • Tony Listi said

      Did the fascists themselves ever call themselves “right-wing”? I don’t think so…feel free to provide evidence. But they did call themselves “national socialists.” And socialism is left-wing.

      So Oxford parrots what a lot of people mindlessly say but doesn’t actually study and get to the heart of fascism, as described by the fascists.

      • Benito Mussolini, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1932:

        “Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the ‘right’, a Fascist century. If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the ‘collective’ century, and therefore the century of the State.” (p. 20)

        “Fascism [is] the precise negation of that doctrine which formed the basis of the so-called Scientific or Marxian Socialism.” (p. 30)

        “After Socialism, Fascism attacks the whole complex of democratic ideologies and rejects them both in their theoretical premises and in their applications or practical manifestations. Fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, can rule human societies; it denies that this majority can govern by means of a periodical consultation; it affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men, who cannot be levelled by such a mechanical and extrinsic fact as universal suffrage.” (p. 31)

        “Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere.” (p. 32)

  84. Referring to Wilson as a fascist is not only a big lie but a fascist attitude itself. The same is happening in Catalonia with the Spanish Government referring to catalans as fascists because they want to vote

    • Tony Listi said

      Let me get this straight: referring to someone as a fascist is itself inherently fascist? Think again….

      How about actually engaging what the post says? You only have a couple options: 1) define/describe fascism differently than the post 2) question the historical facts about Wilson in the post. Anything else is a waste of time and energy.

  85. Referring to someone as a fascist when he is not is itself inherently fascist. There’s no doubt that Republicans are closer to fascist positions, that’s your weapon to fight the fact that people may call you fascists for the political ideas you defend. The idea of the right is a lot closer to the left, it’s just that there’s selfish people ( the right : republicans and fascists).

    • Tony Listi said

      Socialism is of the political left, and Fascism is nothing more than National Socialism (as the Nazis termed it) or socialism at the national level rather than at the worldwide level (Communism wanted worldwide stateless/one-world-government socialism.).

      Perhaps you would like to apply the term “fascist” merely to people on the political right that you dislike, but fascism is actually defined by a set of public policies that essentially belong to socialism or the political left (i.e. government controlling/directing/subsidizing private corporations or the economy in general, viciously punishing any speech against the State/government or the State’s favored groups of people, expanding the powers of the executive branch/president beyond constitutional limits, etc.).

      At least in America, the political right is defined by free market capitalism, small/limited/constitutional government, free speech, Bill of Rights, etc.

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  87. You forgot to mention the Federal Reserve Act.

  88. Eloi said

    Hi
    Just a couple of observations:

    – The German fascist movement was brought to practice by a party which is here considered to be leftist. Taking that for granted, I don’t think that can be identified with what are leftists nowadays, specially in the USA. What happened in Germany was not mainly inspired by leftist ideas and policies but by Racism, blaming the jews for all the problems. It’s not the democrats ( left ) who are now discussing to ban muslims from entering USA. What provoked the holocaust was not leftist policies but racism, and it seems like the republicans are now lead by people who are getting way across the line.

    – Another example of that is that in Spain, for example, fascism came from the right.

    How about daring to answer this post?

    • Tony Listi said

      As I’ve said before, the economic and social policies of the Nazis were statist and thus leftist.

      I will agree that racism was certainly a driving factor behind Nazism. But then to assume Nazism is of the political right because you assume/accuse the American political right of racism is to base one false assumption on another false assumption/accusation. When a leftist can’t engage in a rational discussion (which is often), they inevitably resort to ad hominem attacks, especially the hurling of the accusation of “racist!” It’s merely a rhetorical tool to denigrate one’s political opposition rather than refute them.

      Follow this logic: “Muslim” is not a race. It indicates an adherent to the religion of Islam. Seeing as all the major terrorist threats to the USA (and the West in general) have been perpetrated by Muslims and in the name of Islam, it is completely understandable why many Americans favor a moratorium on immigration by Muslims. Has nothing to do with race or racism. Has everything to do with national security. But because the American political left favors political correctness over actually keeping the country safe, they do nothing to actually defeat our enemies and keep the USA safe and label “racist” anyone who tries to.
      Now how one would actually enforce a moratorium on immigration by adherents of a particular religion (which is not limited to any one race) and the prudence (or lack thereof) of that policy are totally separate questions. But it is clear that almost every foreign terrorist, including those on 9/11, used the legal immigration system (overstaying visas; marriage) to get into the country.
      It’s a complicated issue.

      And there are of course examples of racism promoted by the American political left. It supports giving tax-payer dollars to Planned Parenthood which targets black neighborhoods in locating its facilities to kill black babies (and sell the babies’ body parts, as recent videos document). And of course there is “affirmative action” which is financial and social privileges given by government on the basis of race.

      • By your logic, socialist communitarians, anarcho-syndicalists, and left-libertarians/liberaltarians are right-wing. Have you tried to make this argument with people who hold such positions, often overtly claiming to be left-wing? What about the many fascists who claimed to be right-wing? Were they liars? Was Mussolini wrong in his careful argument for why his right-wing? Why does your labeling of people trump their own self-identifications?

      • Tony Listi said

        Actually, I would definitely consider those groups more right-wing than left-wing. As many libertarians like to say, “It’s not about left vs right but the State vs you.” In many senses, I agree with that.

        In many ways, the whole discussion of left vs right is a false dichotomy, a political spectrum with not enough dimensionality. As many libertarians like to say, the political spectrum is a circle/square rather than a line.
        https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php

        Of course, on the other hand, I think there is actually philosophical coherence in a right-left spectrum, at least in the American political context at least. It’s no coincidence that Marx and Engels were enemies of traditional social institutions (Church, marriage, family), not just free market capitalism. Traditional social institutions make it possible for limited constitutional government and a free market to exist and be sustainable. But that’s another discussion….

      • I don’t really care about labels that much. And I do agree that mainstream labels are probably more often meaningless than not. But once we start idiosyncratically defining labels it can lead to further confusion.

        Take me as an example. I’m a progressive liberaltarian with tendencies toward socialism, communitarianism, and anarchism. I mistrust big anything, both big gov and big biz (and even big unions), Still, my mistrust is inspired by practical concerns, not necessarily unswerving principled ideology.

        What am I? According to your view, I apparently would be a right-winger. But I don’t call myself a right-winger. And I doubt many people would perceive me as a right-winger.

        BTW Marx and Marxists were enemies of authoritarianism. Some of the first targets of Stalin were Marxists. Whether you agree with Marxism or not, the idea was that statism as we know it would dissipate along with corporatism. Traditional social institutions make many things possible, including a long history of authoritarianism: theocracy, divine right of monarchy, aristocracy, etc—all authoritarian and all traditional.

        As for laissez-faire capitalism, it is the least traditional and most radical idea to come along in recent centuries. Capitalism overturned the entire traditional order. Fascism and communism would likely never have emerged except as responses to capitalism.

      • Tony Listi said

        Yes, I would consider you more right-wing than left-wing.

        I’m not a fan of ideology either. Ideology idolizes one principle at the expense of all others rather than harmonizing various true principles according to prudence.

        I’m aware that Marx’s philosophy supposedly ended in a stateless utopia. Of course, that’s impossible, and so all one is left with is his statist authoritarian precursor.
        Why impossible? Because there will always be a concentration of power in a society (or many concentrations), whether one calls that concentration a “State” or not. And there will always be those who seek to murder and steal, among other injustices. The only question is whether that concentration will be used to establish justice, as far as prudently possible, or to commit injustice. The American Founders put there finger on the issue in trying to create a government that was strong enough to establish justice but weak enough to not become a threat to justice. Moreover, they pinpointed the moral state of a society as the defining factor for what form a government can take. If there is no pre-political virtuous self-government at the level of the individual, family, or local community, then large scale self-government will fail.

        Sure, governments’ manipulation of economies has been norm for most of human history. Free markets were a new idea mainly because the science/empirical observations surrounding them were new. But the moral principles behind free market capitalism (esp those regarding human dignity and liberty) were not completely new. One can trace a developing prior tradition if one knows where to look.

      • I don’t care if you want to call me a right-winger. I’m fine with that. I even have some conservative impulses, specifically in terms of the precautionary principle. Plus, I do have much respect for what has proven to work and feeling we should be more wary about messing with what isn’t broken or breaking what we shouldn’t be messing with. I feel that way as much about community issues as I do about environmental issues, which is why paleo-conservative positions sometimes appeal to me.

        I’m glad I stuck with this discussion. It’s turned out more interesting than I originally thought. Also, it seems we may agree on some fundamental perspectives.

        Like you, I’m not a dogmatic ideologue. There isn’t a whole lot that I feel a need to defend on principle, besides a broad sense of morality including compassion and truth-seeking. I’m neither Marxist nor capitalist, in any simple sense. I don’t feel the need to take absolute sides, as I tend to focus elsewhere. I really don’t care about the specifics and I’m not overly attached to any single possibility. I suspect many systems could work well under different conditions.

        Take Norway. It has a centralized government with public owned corporations and an extensive welfare state. Yet its a small country with a heavily engaged population. There is no massive distant government, as in the US. Local politics is probably much more of a reality for Norwegians.

        A centralized government isn’t necessarily a big government, although a big government seems to be inevitably centralized. A small centralized government can potentially avoid the problem of too much concentrated power. That is probably why early democracies were small city-states, not nation-states or empires.

        About the US, I must admit that I’m a fan of the Articles of Confederation, the first constitution. I see the Constitution as having been a failure by design, even if that was unintentional. I’m not a fan of big countries any more than i am of big governments, as the two are always closely linked. I think our country would have been better off if the Articles of Confederation had been revised, as was the original intention. But now we have to figure out what to do with the Constitution we have.

  89. Eloi said

    Dear Toni

    I remember you making fun of someone who wrote in this blog who accused the people who called Wilson fascist to be fascists themselves, you said: ” think again”

    However, you just told me that behind the lefts accusations of racism to the republicans stands the racist value which drives the political left.

    C’mon, think again and apply your logics to yourself Toni

    • Tony Listi said

      Let’s look at what I actually said:
      “Perhaps you would like to apply the term “fascist” merely to people on the political right that you dislike, but fascism is actually defined by a set of public policies that essentially belong to socialism or the political left (i.e. government controlling/directing/subsidizing private corporations or the economy in general, viciously punishing any speech against the State/government or the State’s favored groups of people, expanding the powers of the executive branch/president beyond constitutional limits, etc.).”

      I think that was fairly sober in tone for me, hardly “making fun of” anyone. Moreover, I challenged the person to actually consider the essential content of fascism rather than using the term “fascist” as an empty rhetorical grenade.

      Now I, on the other hand, pointed to and described specific policies of the American political left, explaining their racist character. If you would like to dispute their racist character, feel free. But I provided reasoning for why these policies were racist; I didn’t merely hurl an accusation, hoping its emotional content would be enough to stick.

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  93. even back then democrats didnt care about the constitution. and they just keep getting worse

  94. Walter Saneda said

    Today is what Dems are trying to do as well. They
    Lie, controlling, demeaning, corrupt, they use the
    Media to try to control us as Wilson. Wilson wanted
    Totalitarianism which is what the Dems are pushing.
    Do you as free people want to be govern by these
    Dems??? I hope not!!!

  95. […] Wilson. Here are a few points raised in one article: Wilson was the first president to criticize the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. […]

  96. […] https://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/woodrow-wilson-americas-worst-and-first-fasc…: […]

  97. Mark A Cesare said

    Deism is the answer here.

    Our founders were Deists and didn’t believe in the chosen people. They made decisions totally based on facts, logic and reason, not on being paid off or committed therefore acts of treason.

    They (as Deists) therefore they freed us from these chosen people before, Deism can do it again!

    Christians are probe to falling for the chosen peoples’ lies and will help them even to subert their own and act like imbeciles. We don’t need that at all.

    Thank you.

  98. Mark A Cesare said

    Wilson was the chosen peoples’ lapdog and puppet tyrant!

  99. […] Woodrow Wilson: America’s Worst and First Fascist President; By Tony Listi; Conservative Colloquium; 5/29/08 […]

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