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The Historical Case for the Apocrypha

Posted by Tony Listi on September 18, 2007

The Apocrypha or deuterocanonical books were included in the Septuagint, which was the “Bible” of the Apostles. ( The Apocrypha were not differentiated from other books in the Septuagint (the practice of collecting these books into a separate unit is a novel innovation of Protestantism). When the Apostles quoted Old Testament Scripture, they quoted the Septuagint. Why should we not include in the modern day Bible what the Apostles read?

The earliest Greek manuscripts of the Old Testament (Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus) include all of the deuterocanonical books.

Many of the early Church Fathers (St. Irenaeus, St. Cyprian, Tertullian, etc.) cited these books as Scripture.

The Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) declared the these books to be Scripture, simply an endorsement of the general consensus of the Church in the West and most of the East. The Council of Trent (1548) merely reaffirmed in even stronger terms what had been decided eleven and a half centuries ago, which was never challenged until the onset of Protestantism.

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Scripture Alone (Sola Scriptura) Itself is Not Biblical

Posted by Tony Listi on September 18, 2007

This begins a series aimed at Protestantism. I don’t mean to attack you, my good Protestant friends. Please don’t take this personally. You are some of the best people I know and better than many Catholics I’ve had experience with over the years. This is a matter of truth and ecumenism, a matter of trying to reunite the one Body of Christ as He intended it to be. Moreover, in a show of good faith (pun intended), I will meet you on your on playground, on your own terms: Scripture.
I take most of these arguments from “A Biblical Defense of Catholicism” by Dave Armstrong, a convert to Catholicism from evangelical Protestantism. Let’s consider this an ecumenical dialogue, so please offer your thoughts/objections in comments. Let’s remember 1 Peter 3:15 “Always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence.” Aptly, Armstrong has this verse on a page all to itself before the Table of Contents. Attack the argument, not the arguer.

Tradition, even in the extensive Catholic sense, permeates Scripture. Scripture does not teach sola Scriptura. Scripture alone should lead the impartial seeker to the Tradition of the Catholic Church. Scripture must be viewed within its proper context and accepted on its own terms.

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