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	<title>Comments on: Sexual Attraction is Not Love: A Critique of the Movie &#8220;Closer&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Christian watson</title>
		<link>http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/sexual-attraction-is-not-love-a-critique-of-the-movie-closer/#comment-3859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 09:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not supposed to be didactic- there is no message save for that you come up with yourself through observationa dn analysis- you are shown scenes and dialogue that start and then come to an end- it is up to you to understand it and take from it what you will- how can you criticise a film/play for not being didactic?  Especially when you seem to understand the play from a subjective perspective- if you watch the film and reject the modelf of intimacy shown, then well done, you have come to a conclusion that is right for you... Why do you need the text itself to tell you what to think when you can obviously think for yourself?  No art should be didactic or moralistic- you yourself are the gatekeeper to your own thoughts and feelings- onlyu you can decide what a piece of art says to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not supposed to be didactic- there is no message save for that you come up with yourself through observationa dn analysis- you are shown scenes and dialogue that start and then come to an end- it is up to you to understand it and take from it what you will- how can you criticise a film/play for not being didactic?  Especially when you seem to understand the play from a subjective perspective- if you watch the film and reject the modelf of intimacy shown, then well done, you have come to a conclusion that is right for you&#8230; Why do you need the text itself to tell you what to think when you can obviously think for yourself?  No art should be didactic or moralistic- you yourself are the gatekeeper to your own thoughts and feelings- onlyu you can decide what a piece of art says to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Iza</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very intelligent, respectful, open-minded, thought-provoking response Janinka. Thoroughly enjoyed, thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very intelligent, respectful, open-minded, thought-provoking response Janinka. Thoroughly enjoyed, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Listi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Listi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never said &quot;only people who believe in Christianity can experience the true love.&quot; It is possible to experience true love without subscribing to the philosophy/religion that grounds and explains its reality.

Without the true God, things like art, music, theater, etc. have no meaning or purpose; just atomic matter in motion. Happiness is an illusion without God. 

&quot;if one believes in them they become true&quot; No. We must believe in true things if we want to be happy; our belief does not make things true. Let&#039;s not delude ourselves. If we believe we can make something true just because we want to believe in it, then we will make ourselves unhappy. Reality will not oblige us.

The most profound and sublime kind of love is found in Christian love, total self-giving, self-emptying, and self-sacrifical love, in and through suffering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said &#8220;only people who believe in Christianity can experience the true love.&#8221; It is possible to experience true love without subscribing to the philosophy/religion that grounds and explains its reality.</p>
<p>Without the true God, things like art, music, theater, etc. have no meaning or purpose; just atomic matter in motion. Happiness is an illusion without God. </p>
<p>&#8220;if one believes in them they become true&#8221; No. We must believe in true things if we want to be happy; our belief does not make things true. Let&#8217;s not delude ourselves. If we believe we can make something true just because we want to believe in it, then we will make ourselves unhappy. Reality will not oblige us.</p>
<p>The most profound and sublime kind of love is found in Christian love, total self-giving, self-emptying, and self-sacrifical love, in and through suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaanika</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaanika]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it is right or fair to say that only people who believe in Christianity can experience the true love, because there are so many beautiful things one can believe in. It doesn&#039;t have to be religion (there are many as we all know, not only Christianity) it could be art (music, beautifulness of art, of tragedy), it could be some person you admire.. anything. And if a person finds himself happy and satisfied by believing into something I don&#039;t think it&#039;s wrong IF it isn&#039;t Christianity and the concept of God.

It is said that one can only love if one loves itself and others, the whole world, otherwise one couldn&#039;t say truthfully that one loves at all. I think it is logical and true and while not loving yourself and maintaining your independence you can&#039;t be able to love, you&#039;ll confuse love with some other emotion or so.
But it&#039;s only what I think and anyone could understand and see &quot;love&quot; as they want to, I don&#039;t think that with such pure and beautiful and on the other hand destoying emotion one could say that someone has interpreted it the wrong way. I think it has so many interpretations and if one believes in them they become true.
So I don&#039;t think that there is only one true interpretation or understanding of love, which you, Tony, wanted to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is right or fair to say that only people who believe in Christianity can experience the true love, because there are so many beautiful things one can believe in. It doesn&#8217;t have to be religion (there are many as we all know, not only Christianity) it could be art (music, beautifulness of art, of tragedy), it could be some person you admire.. anything. And if a person finds himself happy and satisfied by believing into something I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wrong IF it isn&#8217;t Christianity and the concept of God.</p>
<p>It is said that one can only love if one loves itself and others, the whole world, otherwise one couldn&#8217;t say truthfully that one loves at all. I think it is logical and true and while not loving yourself and maintaining your independence you can&#8217;t be able to love, you&#8217;ll confuse love with some other emotion or so.<br />
But it&#8217;s only what I think and anyone could understand and see &#8220;love&#8221; as they want to, I don&#8217;t think that with such pure and beautiful and on the other hand destoying emotion one could say that someone has interpreted it the wrong way. I think it has so many interpretations and if one believes in them they become true.<br />
So I don&#8217;t think that there is only one true interpretation or understanding of love, which you, Tony, wanted to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginq</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello.
Tony, I read your writing and comments.
THANK YOU for giving me good opinion.
Actually, it really helped me..
I also watched the closer and felt it&#039;s just emotion without love. However I can&#039;t  get the answer what love is in woman and human. 
When I read  &quot;love is commitment to each other.&quot; And &quot;not using people like trash but loving them&quot;  these words is very impressive. 

I have boyfriend who have met for five years.. I love him and want to make an effort to faith.
But sometimes I feel emotion from a stranger. That&#039;s why I google about the closer and here. From your insight, I can get the answer.
Indeed, thanks. 
I want to see you in the heavens. Bless you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.<br />
Tony, I read your writing and comments.<br />
THANK YOU for giving me good opinion.<br />
Actually, it really helped me..<br />
I also watched the closer and felt it&#8217;s just emotion without love. However I can&#8217;t  get the answer what love is in woman and human.<br />
When I read  &#8220;love is commitment to each other.&#8221; And &#8220;not using people like trash but loving them&#8221;  these words is very impressive. </p>
<p>I have boyfriend who have met for five years.. I love him and want to make an effort to faith.<br />
But sometimes I feel emotion from a stranger. That&#8217;s why I google about the closer and here. From your insight, I can get the answer.<br />
Indeed, thanks.<br />
I want to see you in the heavens. Bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Listi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Listi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sexual users/abusers (like yourselves?) have much more in common with the Taliban than the Catholic Christian. The Taliban treat women like property; sexual users treat women like commodities to be used and trashed when they no longer satisfy oneself. (I took Arabic for three semesters in college; I know what talib and taliban mean.)

I&#039;m not going to give up anything. We&#039;d all be much happier in a world where everyone loves each other rather than uses each other. It&#039;s not about what I personally like or don&#039;t like. One doesn&#039;t need to travel the world to learn what love is; one merely needs to see and respond to the inherent dignity in the people already around us.

The science of human biology is very much on my side. In the sexual act, man and woman biochemically bond because of oxytocin and vasopressin. It is harmful to engage in an act that naturally bonds you together with another person in a powerful way and then unnaturally break that bond; it&#039;s cruel to do it deliberately in full knowledge of the consequences. The marriage bond should come before this biochemical/psychological/emotional bond for the sake of happiness.

And I have a real job, thank you very much. I don&#039;t understand why people attack other people they don&#039;t know on the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexual users/abusers (like yourselves?) have much more in common with the Taliban than the Catholic Christian. The Taliban treat women like property; sexual users treat women like commodities to be used and trashed when they no longer satisfy oneself. (I took Arabic for three semesters in college; I know what talib and taliban mean.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to give up anything. We&#8217;d all be much happier in a world where everyone loves each other rather than uses each other. It&#8217;s not about what I personally like or don&#8217;t like. One doesn&#8217;t need to travel the world to learn what love is; one merely needs to see and respond to the inherent dignity in the people already around us.</p>
<p>The science of human biology is very much on my side. In the sexual act, man and woman biochemically bond because of oxytocin and vasopressin. It is harmful to engage in an act that naturally bonds you together with another person in a powerful way and then unnaturally break that bond; it&#8217;s cruel to do it deliberately in full knowledge of the consequences. The marriage bond should come before this biochemical/psychological/emotional bond for the sake of happiness.</p>
<p>And I have a real job, thank you very much. I don&#8217;t understand why people attack other people they don&#8217;t know on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: dewolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dewolfe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very good movie. Toni needs to get a real job and give it up on telling everybody else what love is. I heard the Taliban have an opening. Talib by the way means student in Arabic. Tony&#039;s very bright and would be a good student. He&#039;s got a lot to learn and he&#039;s not going to like it. And of course by all means blame it on Western culture. Many of the comments were very impressive but you all so need to travel and see the rest of the world. See how great those other cultures are and after you get back from your travels take some science classes, I mean by that the philosophy of science with a dash of comparative theology. And don&#039;t forget to make some time for a good movie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good movie. Toni needs to get a real job and give it up on telling everybody else what love is. I heard the Taliban have an opening. Talib by the way means student in Arabic. Tony&#8217;s very bright and would be a good student. He&#8217;s got a lot to learn and he&#8217;s not going to like it. And of course by all means blame it on Western culture. Many of the comments were very impressive but you all so need to travel and see the rest of the world. See how great those other cultures are and after you get back from your travels take some science classes, I mean by that the philosophy of science with a dash of comparative theology. And don&#8217;t forget to make some time for a good movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Listi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Listi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The movie depicts of a bunch of people using each other, not love. Love is commitment to the good of another person, not a cycle of using and throwing away other people like trash. There is no truth about love in this movie, only about the absence of love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie depicts of a bunch of people using each other, not love. Love is commitment to the good of another person, not a cycle of using and throwing away other people like trash. There is no truth about love in this movie, only about the absence of love.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is my favorite movie. I love the demonstration that love is merely a cycle that is ever changing thus providing opportunity to fall in and out of love as onejourneys through life.  Most don&#039;t like to admit it. We all know it is true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my favorite movie. I love the demonstration that love is merely a cycle that is ever changing thus providing opportunity to fall in and out of love as onejourneys through life.  Most don&#8217;t like to admit it. We all know it is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Listi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Listi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The validity of a religion or worldview does not depend on how many people believe it. Many people are misguided and ignorant about many things. Most of the world doesn&#039;t think about these things; they are too distracted either by poverty/subsistence or by luxury.

How am I so sure? Because my view of love and sex is logically coherent (internally and self-referentially) and asserts human dignity for myself and everyone else, rather than treating human beings like mere animals, sex toys, or consumer commodities to be merely bought, sold, and enjoyed. 

Anyone who enjoys being used or confuses use for love has very serious psychological issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The validity of a religion or worldview does not depend on how many people believe it. Many people are misguided and ignorant about many things. Most of the world doesn&#8217;t think about these things; they are too distracted either by poverty/subsistence or by luxury.</p>
<p>How am I so sure? Because my view of love and sex is logically coherent (internally and self-referentially) and asserts human dignity for myself and everyone else, rather than treating human beings like mere animals, sex toys, or consumer commodities to be merely bought, sold, and enjoyed. </p>
<p>Anyone who enjoys being used or confuses use for love has very serious psychological issues.</p>
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